A Facebook Group Started Just 11 Days Ago To Oppose Obamacare Passed 1,000,000 Members This Evening
In a nod to the strange new world of online activism, Americans who oppose President Barack Obama’s health care reform package, known as Obamacare, formed a Facebook page entitled:
I bet we can find 1,000,000+ people who disapprove of the Health Care Bill
The page was started on March 15, 2010, and just 11 days later at approximately 11:45PM eastern time, the 1,000,000 person signed on as an opponent of Obamacare. This kind of flash online activism by everyday Americans who oppose the massive government health care program just passed by Congress and the President could pose a major obstacle to Obama’s efforts to “sell” his health care package to the country in the next week with multiple rallies at various places in the United States. Here’s how organizers described their page:
This Group was started on March 15, 2010 to send a substantial message to those in Washington who are not listening to their constituents.
The purpose of this Group is to serve as an outlet and organizational platform for those that believe in health care reform, but believe that such should be bipartisan, fiscally responsible, minimize role of government and be approved through a legislative process true to the intent of our Constitution. We welcome people of all party affiliations.
Since the bill was passed, this group has had phenomenal – record setting growth of 200-300 new members per minute. Our title says 1,000,000+ and we well expect millions to join us in this fight.
We will continue to serve as a basis for information, ideas and a platform to mobilize action to repeal this law. Our fight will remain focused, civilized and non violent and will continue until our goal is achieved.
Here is their brief message announcing the crossing of 1,000,000 Obamacare opponents signed up:
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CONGRATULATIONS ON FIRST 1,000,000 at 11:45 PM Fri March 26, 2010.
The ability to add 100,000 people a day on average to a Facebook page animated solely by its opposition to the massive Obamacare package is an indication of the high level of grassroots energy in America that is presently mobilizing against the President’s signature initiative. Many Democrats and establishment media types have been claiming that Obamacare is rising in popularity with the public since its passage last weekend, but sites like this one provide some evidence of the opposite effect: a rising tide of activism objecting to the passage of the massive bill.
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I just discovered your blog a few days ago, but your posts are not only well written, they are original, which is no small feat. Going to join Facebook now.
@party1 Thanks for the compliment, we’re doing our best to inform and entertain 🙂
I seriously wished that this facebook group would make some kind of difference. Unfortunately, all the politicians knew how the majority of the country felt, and did it anyway. This won’t matter. All the facebook statuses won’t matter.
Taking control, inch by inch.
@politics. Au contraire, my friend, the American people have an important choice ahead in November 2010 – the control of Congress.
I agree with Geoff despite of what the socialist/commies in Washington think the USA is a Republic and so we can vote out the senators and house reps who do not represent or serve us well.
The Socialist Democratic Party needs to be voted out in November!
and oust Obama in 2014! God Bless America!
Right on Ingrid – the voice of the American people will be heard in 2010 and 2012 – America will either choose the path of European socialism and forever end its existence as a democratic republic, or, America will choose to return to its roots as a democratic republic with a free market system and a limited government. the choice is the People’s and we live in truly historical times…………….
You are all living in the 17th century. I truly wish you would look at how socialized healthcare has come about in the western nations that we are catching up with. Histioricaly, they initialy paid individualy themselves also…..besides the hard working people of this great nation of the USA whom dont have opptions like myself cant afford high permiumes. There are alot more than your million plus that need an even plying field of healthcare. How many people whom have joined this facebook group allready HAVE healthcrare?
So, we should reduce the quality of care in the United States to European levels? Why?
And the United States has lead the world for the last 100 years….yet you claim the Europeans are more advanced? Why is that? Makes no sense, my friend.
Perhaps the character of our country, DIFFERENT from Europe, is WHY the United States is the greatest country in the world. Ever think about that?
You can bet by the next election that the government will be more Republican than Democrate.
Michael- So I guess socialized medicine, or living in the 21st century as you might say, means lowering the quality of healthcare, as well as the availability? Not only that, but by 2014, FORCING people to get health insurance, or pay a fine? Doesn’t sound very American to me (to force anyone to buy anything!).
Not only that, but look at cost. $2.3 Trillion added to the debt over a decade as well as a drastic increase in business costs, which will inevitably trickle down to the consumer. Just watch everything we buy slowly rise in price.
Everytime you hear someone from Canada or France or any other socialized country say they love their healthcare system, have you ever noticed they are a young adult? These biased interviews seem to avoid all the elderly or anyone older than 60….I wonder why?
Michael – I will have to agree to disagree with this “17th Century” opinion.
First, there are numerous health care programs available to people out there, they just aren’t easy to find because the companies that sponsor them don’t want a flood of consumers that simply want “free healthcare”. For those that are truly indigent, you have healthcare already if you CHOOSE to go out and sign up.
My health isn’t optimal and when our family did not have employer provided insurance, we still found a plan, and a way to pay for it. It meant prioritizing our spending and making adjustments, something many CHOOSE NOT to do.
There is no such thing as free lunch and while I completely agree that healthcare needs reform, there are responsible means to do it. Not without my representation or voice. I think that something this largely impacting to our country warranted a vote by the people in an election. That way no one could have said they weren’t heard.
Tort reform, changes to malpractice suits, and increased availability to insurance is the answer but don’t force people to not have choice. I fought for your Constitution, respect your freedoms or move.
Beyond what has already been said, I believe the solution lies with the cost of health care insurance, which is a direct result of government regulation and rule. The FDA is our protector, but missing from the formula is a cost vs risk consideration. Some of the rules imposed upon the pharma companies drastically increase the cost of health care at a low risk factor. I think a serious throttling of the FDA is in order. As with nearly all entities, it is a natural phenomena that power and growth exceeds that which was originally intended or needed.
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The things posted on their wall should be more than enough evidence of how ignorant some of these people are. For example:
April Godfrey Trevino “LOOK EVERYONE SHOULD OF KNOWN OBAMA WAS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE WHEN HE FIRST GOT IN HE WANTED TO PAINT THE WHITE HOUSE GREEN I MEAN REALLY COME ON”
I believe she’s referring to the metaphorical ‘Green’ movement.
Jake Giesen “GO AMERICA! OFF WITH OBAMA’S HEAD. Selfish bastard wouldn’t even ball with the buried life. prolly cause he was scared gettin beat! USA! USA! USA! DOWN WITH HEALTHCARE!”
Cut off the president’s head for not playing basketball on an MTV show? That’s not even about healthcare.
Mark Allan Ricker “One Nation Under God! Not under Obama! Who does he think he is? I’ve seen people get promotions and get the big head, But this is CRAZY! MADDNESS!”
Who does the elected leader of the USA think he is? God is obviously in charge, not Obama. Nevermind separation of church and state.
There are many more of these being posted every minute.
This was posted yesterday on Facebook. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot build character and courage by taking away peoples initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them what th………ey could and should do for themselves. -Abe Lincoln…. I hear Democrat/Republican….What about a lot smaller Government that would set guidelines and then let us work it out and not be involved. Even God gives us a choice.
@bus
Every movement has a few nuts who make extreme statements, including the left, of course, which called for Bush’s death about a 1,000,000 times, making movies and writing books about it and making protest floats showing same. So lets be honest.
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I bet we can find 1,000,000+ people who disapprove of the Health Care Bill
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Description:
This Group was started on March 15, 2010 to send a substantial message to those in Washington who are not listening to their constituents.
The purpose of this Group is to serve as an outlet and organizational platform for those that believe in health care reform, but believe that such should be bipartisan, fiscally responsible, minimize role of government and be approved through a legislative process true to the intent of our Constitution. We welcome people of all party affiliations.
Since the bill was passed, this group has had phenomenal – record setting growth of 200-300 new members per minute. Our title says 1,000,000+ and we well expect millions to join us in this fight.
We will continue to serve as a basis for information, ideas and a platform to mobilize action to repeal this law. Our fight will remain focused, civilized and non violent and will continue until our goal is achieved.
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This Group was started on March 15, 2010 to send a substantial message to those in Washington who are not listening to their constituents.
The purpose of this Group is to serve as an outlet and organizational platform for those that believe in health care reform, but believe that such should be bipartisan, fiscally responsible, minimize role of government and be approved through a legislative process true to the intent of our Constitution. We welcome people of all party affiliations.
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There’s already 1,000,000 Small Business Owners who like it and over 1,000,000 18 to 26 year olds who like it. I like it since the $12,000. I pay to Parkland each year in Collin and Dallas County taxes will go to people who need it, not middle class, middle agers, who can afford to buy insurance but choose a new car instead; not to the pregnant teens, not allowed; not to the illegal immigrants, not allowed. So I feel lucky to be in good health and employed and if someone cannot afford insurance, my $12,000 will actually help somebody. I have paid for health insurance since I was 21. used it twice. Auto insurance since 17, and I have used the heck out it, sorry to say, Fire/Home insurance, used the theft part as Dallas is theft prone since we spend more on health insurance than on drug prevention, than on teen pregnancy protection, and more than we spend on the border patrol. Hell yeah, I think the deficit is a big damn deal, but it didn’t and hasn’t come along with the current President. It came from two wars being fought in lands that have no borders, borders set by a bunch of drunk English and French functioneers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and it was based on how much oil was to be pumped…what a concept, you think Dick Cheney was the first to cop on to this? The whole point is to keep the place upside down, we feed the Israelis to thwart the Iranians we take Afghanistan after supporting the very tribes we are fighting, to cut a deal with the Russians so we can have east europe back to sell gas and the Ruskis have a warm water port for??? OIL. Remember the Indians? We are a master of fu***ng people over for corporate gain, if you think that you are in any way in control of the US government you are in a crib. This has been sliced and diced 10 years ago for ten years in the future and if you think they will allow the us/world economy to be decide by a bunch of bible thumping RV drivers, crawl back into the crib. you really don’t have a say in it. This is a charade to keep you occupied. Step back, add up the points, who wins in ten years??? You??
Those who think they agree with the bill; please read it-the whole thing.
I support the healthcare bill. America is the least healthy first world countries, and we currently have one of the most expensive healthcare systems as well. OUR CURRENT SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK. Low income families who cannot afford healthcare must resort to costing our system more than twice as much by visiting the ER.
And asking everyone to have healthcare just makes sense. It’s required by law (in my state at least) to have auto insurance. And I’m not entirely certain of this, but I’m pretty sure there will be a free public option, at least for those below the poverty line. Taxes suck, yes, but we can afford them for those who can’t afford food, shelter, education, AND healthcare! Plus: Tally up how much you’ll pay in taxes compared to how much you pay now for healthcare. Is it that different?
I’ll admit, I may be missing important issues for some people, but I consider myself about as informed as most Americans, and everything I’ve heard just kind of… makes sense.
P.S. What is with everyone freaking out over being European? I really hear very few complaints across the big pond. Do more citizens complain there than citizens hurting here? What is so terrible about their system? Seriously, enlighten me. And really? Socialist Commies? That’s just being juvenile. I love hearing arguments from the other side, but that’s not an argument, that’s paranoid propaganda name calling. Same goes for name calling against the republicans, don’t fight fire with fire, we hardly get anywhere as it is.
@Helen (and anyone who actually approves of this health care bill)
You know, there are people who have to wait YEARS for needed surgeries and some people DIE while waiting in Britian and in other places like Europe, and in Canada. People actually come to US for health care, it’s very common Helen. The European economy isn’t as stable as you might think it is, they have a huge welfare state that they are trying to support, and the tax burden is crushing the younger workers. And like Matt said, they seem to avoid the elderly. Whats wrong with the elderly? Sure they might die soon, but that’s part of the facts of life. We all live. We all die. But shouldn’t the elderly also be included?
And sure, we may be able to all get health care. But why do we need to be FORCED to do it? Are we FORCED to have a religion? No. And are we FORCED to have auto insurance? What if we wanted to NOT drive, maybe have a motorcycle instead, we just need motorcycle insurance, it’s different. And if you didn’t want insurance AT ALL, you could walk or ride a bike. There, helps TWO things at once! Like killing two birds with one stone, you can get healthier AND not have to pay as much for any insurance. You aren’t supposed to be FORCED to have auto insurance, why? Because if you don’t, you don’t get fined. Just means you have to if you have a car. Keywords: “IF you have a car.” And if you don’t have auto insurance, you shouldn’t really drive. Just use common logic for that.
There are ways to reform healthcare without giving so much power to the goverment over the industry. So, not everyone whose against the health care bill is against the concept of the bill. And blame the courts for giving HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars to stupid cases that should be brushed off. Stupid cases against the doctor when there is no lasting damage and even in cases that it makes sense to award damages, it’s just too huge. And then the insurance of the doctor has to pay, and then they have the doctor pay them, which is why you have to pay so much when seeing a doctor, which rises how much you have to pay the insurance company as well. And it is the same with the drug companies. So yeah.
So yeah, and this isn’t just me talking. It’s my mother as well, she didn’t write this though. I did. When you come down to it all, sure health insurance is GREAT to have and having it affordable would be great as well, but we shouldn’t be forced to have it or have to pay a fine. Really. If you pay a fine, then add your taxes, you’ll be nowhere nearer to getting health care than if you didn’t have to pay the fine. I do believe in limited government involvement, but that’s because the government isn’t always the answer. The people should have a lot more say, maybe a different thought for health care for every state? Just think about that, for me. Ok? Ok.
@Helen and anyone with lame arguments
1. Auto insurance is not for you…it is for whomever you run your car into. Basically, it protects someone other than yourself from your inability to pay for fixing a wrong you committed.
2. You can sugar coat this issue however you want but this IS a socialist agenda. When the government FORCES you to purchase something for yourself like healthcare INSURANCE (not the healthcare itself) the government has crossed that invisible line.
3. Now, by passing this bill, the government controls student loans, GM, Chrysler, and will be the largest healthcare inurance provider in the nation before this is over with.
4. Giving the government control over this should never have been a debate. It should have been treated like power, gas, cable, etc. and been REGULATED. This would decrease the cost of healthcare by simply empowering the government to stop ridiculous malpractice suits, to begin tort reform, and simply to hold people in the healthcare industry accountable. Insurance costs are driven higher more by this than they are by anything else.
5. See Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the Welfare System for wonderful examples of government programs working over the long haul.
6. A side note, if this program will work so well, how come most of Obama’s cronies are not required to use this plan?
@ Helen. I think you might find this article from The Sun interesting. It changed my view of health care when I read it. I agree that something needs to be done, but I don’t think the Obamacare bill is the answer.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2672411/Crippled-man-up-in-arms-over-NHS.html
That article talks about a man who broke his arm and waited more than 10 months for surgery. I can barely stand to look at his picture. His arm looks horrible.
In addition, it is projected that the bill will cost $2.3 trillion to implement. There is a trend that the projected cost and the actual cost are actually quite different, which is about 3x. This has been true for about the past 20 years or so. So if the projected cost is $2.3 trillion, then the actual cost will be about $6.9 trillion. Honestly, I would rather work on eliminting our national debt then adding almost 7 trillion to it.
Requiring everyone to purchase healthcare keeps the entire system from collapsing – insurance doesn’t work if everyone costs the system money… money has to go into it. This stabilizes the system and reduces overall costs and risks. And in the long run it will probably help the purchaser, especially young adults. An injury, even a non-life threatening one can be devastating to one’s finances when you are in or just leaving college, my parents know this from experience. Under the new bill, children can stay under their parents plan up until the age of 26, which I’m sure many young adults will appreciate until they can get their own job with decent healthcare provided.
But I see the controversy, and I do think enforcing it with a fine is ridiculous. It forces citizens into a Catch-22. However, I don’t really see a way out of it. There are exemptions available for people with religious issues, etc. but this certainly is one of the most glaring flaws about the bill for me. It’s not necessarily harmful, but it does infringe on some rights. Hopefully if this fails horribly, someone will have imagined a better solution or we’ll trash it. But there is more to lose if we don’t try.
@Tim – Right now our current systems like Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc, are wonderful BUT extremely overloaded, and still there are many people who need aid. I do agree that we need to be treating the cause of high healthcare, but in the meantime we must provide for all citizens. And where did you get that last bit? I’ve heard nothing about that, and it seems rather ridiculous and rumor-like.
@Liz – That article was interesting, but for one, I don’t really trust it, The Sun isn’t exactly the most reliable news source, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out there were other factors in that case, or that some things were exaggerated.
Besides that, I sincerely doubt that our system will necessarily become backlogged to that extent because of this bill. Frankly, I can’t even understand what would lead you to that conclusion, none of the facts I’ve heard suggest this will be an issue with the new bill. This bill really just effects how it’s paid for and expands coverage. Expanded coverage will probably result in fewer doctor visits due to preventative healthcare. Whether people do or don’t have healthcare insurance doesn’t effect whether they will or won’t get injured or sick and visit the doctor.
However, I understand the budget concerns. Numbers regarding our debt freak me out. They say they bill is actually expected to reduce the federal deficit by 124 billion dollars in the next ten years, but optimistic as I am, even I take that outlook with a grain of salt. But hey, now that healthcare reform is out of the way, maybe we can sort out this whole financial mess, and get into even more fun, heated debates!
Helen, nice cogent points, thanks for posting.
Check out my article on on here about the CBO scoring, it lays out the facts.
One point i’d make in brief response to part of your argument regarding the need for Obamacare – one undeniable truth in American life, and even all countries, is that when the government decides to move into an industry and take over the provision of services/goods from private companies, costs go up and bureaucracy goes it. It has to, because that’s what the government is – employees who work for the government (bureaucrats), getting hired to do things that in the past was done by private sector employees. There is a ton of that in Obamacare.
My biggest problem with Obamacare is that inevitable growth in bureaucracy over health care, and the fact that such bureaucracy will reduce innovation and efficiency in health care provision.
Many parts of society need to be run by a state or federal or local government – security on the streets and against foreign enemies, fire department, schools, regulation on companies to check corporate abuse of unwitting consumers in deceptive practices – all of these things are good places for bureaucrats.
Health care? No so much.
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